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T O P I C R E V I E WbrowncoatHow might this play out??MY Dejanira is opposite her Mars @ 1 deg 51 mins.HER Dejanira is square my Mars @ 1 deg 58 mins.I'm thinking...I'm not sure how we'll victimize each other with our Mars. Maybe they cancel each other out? Maybe there's an ability to relate?ALSO...She has NATAL Nessus square her Mars (exact 0 deg 1 min) and square her Jupiter (1 degree).(Yeah, I know about her 'dark' periods.)My Moon is conjunct her Nessus (wide orb 2 deg 43 mins)(I understand the orbs should be less than 1.5 degrees to really matter...so maybe this is all moot?)RandallWelcome!browncoatBump?neptunicityIf the victimizing isn't happening yet then I assure you it will happen in due time when circumstances will allow these energies to play out. I had the negative aspects with 2 people on my Mars, they were ok at first, but in time, the first person, a former friend backstabbed me and slandered me. The 2nd person from the get-go played with me and pretended to be interested in me to get my attention, so expect some form of deception or meanness from you or them.As for the orbs, if it's a conjunction they count it up to 3 orb. In my case 2 or 3 orb conjunctions have noticeable impact on the interaction.browncoat quote:Originally posted by neptunicity:If the victimizing isn't happening yet then I assure you it will happen in due time when circumstances will allow these energies to play out. I had the negative aspects with 2 people on my Mars, they were ok at first, but in time, the first person, a former friend backstabbed me and slandered me. The 2nd person from the get-go played with me and pretended to be interested in me to get my attention, so expect some form of deception or meanness from you or them.As for the orbs, if it's a conjunction they count it up to 3 orb. In my case 2 or 3 orb conjunctions have noticeable impact on the interaction.Thank you neptunicity for your input!Hmmm...this kinda worries me (though it probably shouldn't... It's just one aspect, and both the synastry & composite charts are pretty nice overall.)As I think about this more and more how these energies play out...Dejanira is where *WE* are the victim...and I believe we can find the space to rise up within ourselves to choose to no longer be the victim of this person/situation. I believe some victimizing has begun to take place, but I think we are working through these spots. As most will agree...communication is key in an intimate relationship.We both are people who recognize that we are not victims in this world and that we control our own realities. How that plays out...we'll see. These are Mars (drive) energies at play here, and Mars isn't very sensitive to the needs of others, but Mars is sure sensitive of its own needs. I have Mars in my 12th house...which does make it a bit easier on everyone else I come in contact with. Also, I recently discovered that my landlord's ASC is conjunct my Dejanira. It explains a lot!! I can look back to where I could have responded differently in certain situations so as to not feel like a victim.neptunicityNo problem browncoat! Glad that you were able to get the birth time of your landlord, that can be difficult to ask from strangers! I do believe that we have free will, so we can always choose not to be the victim, but those aspects in the charts serve as a warning for us to anticipate what is possible as time plays out. If you have a good relationship it might not be apparent yet, but who knows, the victimizing might play out once a certain situation is triggered. As for me, once I see such negative aspects I become wary of the person. My dad and I have Swindle and Lie heavily aspected in the composite chart, and it played out when I was in my late 20's! The meanness was extreme!So always heed those "warnings" in the charts!browncoat quote:Originally posted by neptunicity:I do believe that we have free will, so we can always choose not to be the victim, but those aspects in the charts serve as a warning for us to anticipate what is possible as time plays out. If you have a good relationship it might not be apparent yet, but who knows, the victimizing might play out once a certain situation is triggered. ...So always heed those "warnings" in the charts!Interesting observation...In researching my past relationships (even close non-intimate relationships) I noticed a significant connection *somewhere* with either Dejanira or Nessus (and typically both).I'm beginning to wonder if there's a correlation between these asteroids and people we unconsciously attract...especially intimate relationships. ... In other words... maybe these contacts are inevitable?neptunicityMaybe.. You know that interactions are destined too based on the chart, so maybe we should just try to avoid the ones who we have bad charts with to avoid potential problems. I'd take Sun square Neptune in synastry/composite rather than Dejanira and Nessus aspects!
I'm thinking...I'm not sure how we'll victimize each other with our Mars. Maybe they cancel each other out? Maybe there's an ability to relate?
ALSO...She has NATAL Nessus square her Mars (exact 0 deg 1 min) and square her Jupiter (1 degree).
(Yeah, I know about her 'dark' periods.)
My Moon is conjunct her Nessus (wide orb 2 deg 43 mins)
(I understand the orbs should be less than 1.5 degrees to really matter...so maybe this is all moot?)
As for the orbs, if it's a conjunction they count it up to 3 orb. In my case 2 or 3 orb conjunctions have noticeable impact on the interaction.
quote:Originally posted by neptunicity:If the victimizing isn't happening yet then I assure you it will happen in due time when circumstances will allow these energies to play out. I had the negative aspects with 2 people on my Mars, they were ok at first, but in time, the first person, a former friend backstabbed me and slandered me. The 2nd person from the get-go played with me and pretended to be interested in me to get my attention, so expect some form of deception or meanness from you or them.As for the orbs, if it's a conjunction they count it up to 3 orb. In my case 2 or 3 orb conjunctions have noticeable impact on the interaction.
Thank you neptunicity for your input!
Hmmm...this kinda worries me (though it probably shouldn't... It's just one aspect, and both the synastry & composite charts are pretty nice overall.)
As I think about this more and more how these energies play out...Dejanira is where *WE* are the victim...and I believe we can find the space to rise up within ourselves to choose to no longer be the victim of this person/situation. I believe some victimizing has begun to take place, but I think we are working through these spots. As most will agree...communication is key in an intimate relationship.
We both are people who recognize that we are not victims in this world and that we control our own realities. How that plays out...we'll see. These are Mars (drive) energies at play here, and Mars isn't very sensitive to the needs of others, but Mars is sure sensitive of its own needs. I have Mars in my 12th house...which does make it a bit easier on everyone else I come in contact with.
Also, I recently discovered that my landlord's ASC is conjunct my Dejanira. It explains a lot!! I can look back to where I could have responded differently in certain situations so as to not feel like a victim.
Glad that you were able to get the birth time of your landlord, that can be difficult to ask from strangers!
I do believe that we have free will, so we can always choose not to be the victim, but those aspects in the charts serve as a warning for us to anticipate what is possible as time plays out. If you have a good relationship it might not be apparent yet, but who knows, the victimizing might play out once a certain situation is triggered.
As for me, once I see such negative aspects I become wary of the person. My dad and I have Swindle and Lie heavily aspected in the composite chart, and it played out when I was in my late 20's! The meanness was extreme!
So always heed those "warnings" in the charts!
quote:Originally posted by neptunicity:I do believe that we have free will, so we can always choose not to be the victim, but those aspects in the charts serve as a warning for us to anticipate what is possible as time plays out. If you have a good relationship it might not be apparent yet, but who knows, the victimizing might play out once a certain situation is triggered. ...So always heed those "warnings" in the charts!
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Interesting observation...In researching my past relationships (even close non-intimate relationships) I noticed a significant connection *somewhere* with either Dejanira or Nessus (and typically both).
I'm beginning to wonder if there's a correlation between these asteroids and people we unconsciously attract...especially intimate relationships. ... In other words... maybe these contacts are inevitable?
I'd take Sun square Neptune in synastry/composite rather than Dejanira and Nessus aspects!
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